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  1. Norris

    Húha! Mindenki tudta, hogy nagy huzavonák vannak/voltak a M* háza táján, de ebb?l az összeállí­tásból azért sok érdekesség kiderült (számomra is aki valamelyest ismerte a története). De í­gy els? kézb?l azért még flikkflakkosabb a dolog! Kezdenek körvonalazódni a szerepek, és lassan értelmet nyer a “tisztességtelen piaci magatartás” fogalma. í?llást nem foglalnék – de elég jól látszik, hogy ki(k) a zavarosban halászók.

  2. csagatar

    hát eeeegen… mindenesetre köszönet Celsiornak az összefoglalóért, Nektek meg aleközlésért! Kritika, nyafogás, stb. elmarad 😉

  3. Akito

    Oszinten szolva en semmilyen ismerettel nem rendelkeztema dolgok hatteret illetoen es hibaztattam minden magus felelost, de most at kellett ertekelnem nehany dolgot…

  4. Sztuvy

    “Mivel a Gameskút Kft., és a Fekete Torony Bt. tulajdonosai történetesen egyaránt a Deltavision Kft. alkalmazottai… ”

    Nem kellene vigyázni, hogy ennyire ne lógjon ki a lóláb?… 😛

  5. Norris

    Még annyit tennék hozzá, hogy bár már sokan eltemették a M*-t, s?t egyesek a vele való foglalkozást már-már hullagyalázásnak min?sí­tik, természetesen átvitt értelemben, azért ha jobban megnéziket Celsior összefoglalóját, akkor felt?nhet, hogy még jó 10 évvel a M* “virágkora” után is súlyos milliók repkednek vele kapcsolatban, tehát ez az egész nem szól másról mint pénzr?l. Ezt mindenki láthatja. Aki ezt elismeri a M* kapcsán, az korrekt, de aki megpróbálja a vele való foglalkozást valamiféle ideológiai köntösbe öltöztetni, az nem els?sorban magát csapja be, hanem másokat is megpróbál. Minket olvasókat pl. Nyilván azért van benne ilyen faktor is, de messze nem akkora, mint azt megpróbálják egyesek elhitetni.

  6. auer

    ez téynleg hasznos volt de kcist el?reszaldt tudtommal:

    “”- A Tuan kiadónál megjelenik az „Aquir gy?r?â€? c. könyv, a bí­róság által nem kifogásolt „zászlósâ€? logoval.””

    vagy csak én maradtam le róla?

  7. Brushy

    Pénz és üzlet, ez már tiszta volt nekem akkor is, amikor még tinédzserként szinte minden nap tudtunk játszani a barátaimmal és érzékelhet?en közeledtek a viharfelh?k a M*-sal kapcsolatban. Késések, í­géretek be nem tartása, szerkeszt?k, alkotók, tehát az egész gárda állandó cserél?dése, stb… Nem mondom tovább, mindenki tudja mir?l beszélek. Tehát itt nem is az volt a baj, hogy üzlet lett bel?le, hanem az, hogy id?közben maguk a fejesek elfelejtettek egy kett? nagyon fontos dolgot. Hogy van egy közönségük, akiknek tartoznak. í‰s persze azt is elfelejtették, hogy anno ?k küzdöttek olyan emberek ellen a hazai szerepjátékos életért, akikké aztán szépen lassan ?k maguk is váltak. í‰s ez a legnagyobb csalódás az egészben, bár ehhez már rég hozzászoktam a mai világban, csak hát azért.. szóval sosem könny? elfogadni, ha egy szép és megvalósulni készül? álmot teljesen tönkretesz a pénz.

  8. Leon Cor Leoni

    Hali!
    Ez volt tavaly, de azóta eltelt egy esztend?… Mik a jelenlegi fejlemények?

  9. Pereputty

    Szánalmas és nevetséges látni ezt a tisztán magyar jelenséget: a széthúzást. Annak idején, éppen gimis voltam, amikor Csanádék kijött a Halál Havábannal (nekem mindmáig meg van, ráadásul az els? kiadások els? példányaiból való az enyém). Ezt követte a M.A.G.U.S., a Nagy Z?d, amit orrvérzésig játszottunk, mi 14-15 évesek. Emlékszem a baráti köröm nagy része különféle okokra hivatkozva mindig éjfél után ért haza ezekr?l a játékokról, annyira belefeledkeztünk.
    Jó volt, nagyon jó volt.
    Aztán persze feln? az ember, nyilván az igényei és szokásai is változnak, de az egész egyszer?en felháborító, hogy a sikerekben gazdag ’90-es évek eleje után mindenki akart magának egy szeletet ebb?l a szerepjátékosdiból itthon. Ott lett elrontva, hogy f?vel-fával összeálltak, már minden eleddig nem is létez? kiadó szerepjáték könyveket, kiegészít?ket kezdett el kiadni, a standokon egymást érték a már követhetetlen RPG regények és novellák. Nem volt meg a folyamatosság. Elveszett. Csak a lé számított. Gratulálok. Ami nyugaton sikeresen és összehangoltan még ma is virágzik (elég, ha csak az AD&D-re gondolok), az idehaza “természetesen” halott.
    Remélem valaki rendet tesz ebben a káoszban végre és egyesíti a magyarországi szerepjáték kiadást, tisztázza az er?viszonyokat és végre min?ségi és nem mennyiségi kiadványokkal örvendezteti meg a nagyérdem?t. Mint annak idején, a kezdetekkor.

  10. Merras

    hát, lassanként meg kellene kérni Celsiort, hogy update-elje már egy picikét ezt a kronológiát…

  11. Merras

    [quote]Remélem valaki rendet tesz ebben a káoszban végre és egyesíti a magyarországi szerepjáték kiadást,[/quote]

    Szabadversenyes kapitalizmusban élünk. Én nem tartanám jónak, ha egyetlen cég, kiadói csoport, vagy ilyesmi alatt egyesülne bármiféle rpg vagy könyvkiadás.

  12. Pereputty

    Én ilyet nem írtam. Egyesíteni lehet úgy, hogy alkotói (kiadói) szövetséget vagy hálózatot kötnek azok, akik komolyan gondolják, ilyesmi az Írók Szövetsége is például.

    Ha neked tetszik ez a sok agyatlan “regény” és kiadvány, ami most a standokon fogad… Te tudod. Semmilyen min?ségi termékr?l nem beszélhetünk lassan, helyesebben természetesen jönnek ki igényes alkotások, de elvesznek a túlkínálatban, amit az igénytelenek túlsúlya okoz.

  13. Merras

    Valóban nagyon sok igénytelen cucc van, ebben kétségkívül igazad van – de azért én úgy látom, hogy manapság már az olvasók is hallatják a hangjukat, akik igényesebbre vágynak. Keresik is az igényesebb kiadványokat.

    Amúgy szerinted hogyan kellene m?ködnie egy ilyen szövetségnek? Mi lenne a célkit?zés, miben segítené ez a piacot? Nem cinkelésb?l kérdezem, tényleg kíváncsi vagyok rá, hogy az olvasónak mi err?l a véleménye. Pozitív példát mondjuk én is tudok mondani – képregény kiadók szövetsége nagyon jól pörög.

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